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In reply to: Higher resolutions?
Mmmm…
Both images look terrible in your pictures.
It’s always possible to get a lot better image than that, at least in VorpX (UEVR isn’t even close in most games I tried).
It can be a profile or configuration problem (maybe the wrong type of 3D, etc.)
Or maybe it’s the game ?
When I use VorpX in a game like Bioshock 2, Metro Exodus or Frontier Of Pandora (or Hogwarts Legacy / Atomic Heart if you want UE4), the image quality is far better than any real 8k video I could record myself.
This is worse.
This is ugly even in 1080p. You shouldn’t be able to notice it on a 1080p monitor (impossible).
If the image quality is so bad, I guess it’s because you weren’t able to record correctly the output ? In this case I don’t see how we could compare.
Anyway, if you play AA games with UEVR and no good VorpX profiles, UEVR has a lot of qualities, especially if you don’t really care about immersion and full VR, and just want 3D, and especially if you prefer G3D over image quality and if your computer is powerful and silent enough. Maybe you can use VRto3D in this case.
Why do you want to use VorpX instead ?
VorpX is great to play AAA games in full VR (or Immersive Screen) with the best graphics available. Especially First Person games (if you want a perfect native-like experience). You don’t really need it to play AA third person or strategy games based on Unreal Engine 4/5 (even if it should work a lot better than that).
I’m also a professionnal game developper (and I have advanced 3D modeling, animation and rendering skills too but it doesn’t really matter).
There is no way I can see blurry letters in VorpX.
But as we said, you may be right on a PPD limit. I wouldn’t be able to tell with my current VR headset, which is already better than most.
In reply to: Higher resolutions?
I made some screenshots on both programs. UEVR is running in 2D screen mode to emulate how VorpX does in order to make the comparison fair. I kept the images as close as possible. Hopefully it will help!
I got the screens as close as possible and it 100% proves my point.
UEVR is rendering at a way higher resolution, even when both are “at 4860p”Notice how in the UEVR one, even when the camera is positioned further back (which should make the jaggies worse), its still miles ahead of it!
Good places to check resolution:
-Big letters at the top
-Protagonist’s hairThe worst is… these images are actually FLATTERING to VorpX. It looks SO MUCH WORSE when in the HMD… the images are “only” 2300p after all, and you aren’t being blinded in one eye due to the bad G3D shadows (but this is besides the point).
Reminder that this isn’t a game specific issue. It is happening with everything, including VorpX Desktop.
@Ralf
Any idea what might be at play here? I tried V21, V23 and V24, all of them showing the same issue.In reply to: Higher resolutions?
It’s definitely not better than VorpX. At best it’s different, but image quality can’t even compare because most beautiful settings don’t even work with UEVR.
I see! Maybe it varies a lot between games, because the games that have proper Native Stereo for me… look like the improved version of the monitor version. And I’m a graphics whore, after all, I’m a professional 3D videogame artist.
How do you configure UEVR to get a good image quality and see every details miles around like in VorpX ? Because every person who really tried both around me said me that VorpX has a lot better image quality.
I’m… not sure. I’ve been using VorpX since the early days, even going as far to using the shader authoring tool to create my custom profiles and… Even if its good, its never been flawless as UEVR seems to get to. (although I get way less control in UEVR without actually coding in LUA than with the authoring tool :S)
Well, let’s put an example. If I run Tales of Arise on VorpX, a UE4 game. 3D shadows are borked, due to the common issue with shaders on G3D. On top of that, like I said, it not only runs in a “window” since it isn’t fullVR compatible, but even when put both in that mode, VorpX only goes as high as under 3000p. On UEVR most shaders are flawless, except for the camera FOV that seems a bit weird at times (since it doesn’t zoom in like it would in a 2D screen)… and that’s it. I can run it if I can at 7000p, where pixels are literally so small I can’t tell them apart. A visual clarity that is so ridiculous I can see into the distance (at like… 10fps, of course lol). But even in UEVR “2D window” mode, I can easily put it at 5000p, get 90fps, and flawless image.
Maybe you don’t know how to configure VorpX, or as I said, you are very sensitive to something most people don’t even notice.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I mean, like I said, been using the thing since the early days, and I’m a user advanced enough to make their own profiles with the authoring tool… Tinkering with settings is totally my jam.
I just think not that many people are running HMDs with resolutions of 3550×3880 per eye yet. It would be ideal if Ralf could throw some light into this to be honest! And I mean, many people would notice if a program is rendering at like 2/3 or less resolution the HMD is capable of, I’m sure!Did you try the ClarityFX, Sharpness and Texture Enhancements settings ? (VorpX’s Ingame menu page 2) It’s very impressive on my VR headset if properly configured.
Yes, of course! I mean, it does make things better, but that doesn’t cut it, it really just needs way more resolution.
We probably don’t play the same games. I mostly play AAA games in VR (and anyway most of them aren’t made with Unreal Engine, except Atomic Heart which is an UE4 game and is better in VorpX).
I see! Surely we don’t play similar. To be honest, I like VorpX better as a “3D window” to the world better than full VR immersion. For that I feel UEVR is great, since it basically uses native UE VR rendering pipeline to show stuff.
As far as I know, you can always use max settings with VorpX in AAA games with a good enough resolution. It’s impossible with UEVR (either because it doesn’t even work, or because it works but it’s not optimized enough).
The problem is I straight out can’t. Like I said, is like VorpX just hits a ceiling of resolution the HMD won’t go over, even when I’m trying to force it (be it through the game engine rendering at higher resolutions, or the settings in SteamVR).
As I said, you could not reach such resolutions with most beautiful games (especially with Unreal Engine 4/5 AAA games…)
I mean… I have a heavily overclocked 4090 with a 9950X3D, and tolerance for low FPS, so I can easily play a game at like… 40fps and not feel wrong about it. Even in VR I play with most maxed out always (when it makes sense ofc). I don’t play that many AAA games though, I’m more interested in AA and indie, with the nice AAA here an there.
So It depends on the game, and on your use. Anyway both programs have other pros and cons depending on your expectations.
Yeah! I just seem to choose UEVR for all the UE games.
Hopefully, I am doing something wrong, or there is a fix I didn’t think for this! It really is a shame not being able to use VorpX now that the MeganeX8K is giving me such ridiculously high PPD (it sits at around 46PPD, with mOLED quality, its insane!)
In reply to: Higher resolutions?
Also, to my knowledge… UEVR is best in UE games overall, by a lot. And I mean, its not surprising really, VorpX works on like a bizillion other engines, while that one is specific to UE4-5.
UEVR doesn’t even handle raytracing in UE4 games and it has a lot of visual issues (animations glitches, camera clipping, 3D and camera doesn’t feel right in first person games, etc.)
Stability can be bad (it often crashes) and it’s not reliable, at least on my VR headset.
It’s most of the time unusable if you want your PC to remain silent (even with a very expansive one).
It’s definitely not better than VorpX. At best it’s different, but image quality can’t even compare because most beautiful settings don’t even work with UEVR.
And VorpX is so much optimized than it’s a lot better with AAA games on current graphic cards.
I agree UEVR can be a lot better in some minor games with little environments when VorpX has no profile because you can get G3D and image quality is good at short distance.
How do you configure UEVR to get a good image quality and see every details miles around like in VorpX ? Because every person who really tried both around me said me that VorpX has a lot better image quality.
Maybe you don’t know how to configure VorpX, or as I said, you are very sensitive to something most people don’t even notice.
Or maybe there is a compatibility problem with your uncommon VR headset or as you said a limit to PPD somewhere, which doesn’t concern most people and has probably no real effect on most recent games.Did you try the ClarityFX, Sharpness and Texture Enhancements settings ? (VorpX’s Ingame menu page 2) It’s very impressive on my VR headset if properly configured.
Some people use OpenXR toolkit to improve image quality but I didn’t need it.Most people really don’t need this level of details anyway. I’m pretty sure there is no way to reach VorpX’s image quality with UEVR in an AAA game (or I don’t know how to do it, and no one arround me found out).
We probably don’t play the same games. I mostly play AAA games in VR (and anyway most of them aren’t made with Unreal Engine, except Atomic Heart which is an UE4 game and is better in VorpX).
As far as I know, you can always use max settings with VorpX in AAA games with a good enough resolution. It’s impossible with UEVR (either because it doesn’t even work, or because it works but it’s not optimized enough).
As I said, you could not reach such resolutions with most beautiful games (especially with Unreal Engine 4/5 AAA games…)
So It depends on the game, and on your use. Anyway both programs have other pros and cons depending on your expectations.
In reply to: Higher resolutions?
UEVR’s sharpness & clarity isn’t even close to VorpX at medium/long distance in every AAA game with large outdoors environement I tried
This is SO WEIRD to me.
Because its the literal opposite to me in 100% of the cases.
UEVR is always sharp to perfection (even if my GPU wants to cry at single digit FPS) when I crank up resolution, while no matter how high I put the resolution on any VorpX game… it always looks “terrible” (at around 2000-ish p). Like, I can put the game at literally 8K (4000p), the GPU is clearly doing it, since the game chugs like it wants to die… yet the resolution and jaggies I see are identical to the ones I had when rendering the game at 4k (2160p). That’s the issue for me there. Hopefully that explains it better!Also, to my knowledge… UEVR is best in UE games overall, by a lot. And I mean, its not surprising really, VorpX works on like a bizillion other engines, while that one is specific to UE4-5.
An example of that would be Harvestella. I can run the thing on UEVR at 15000×7500 (yes, 7500p per eye), at around 30-45fps. It uses up every ounce the MeganeX8K’s clarity, literally can’t look better. Then when I try to run it at 8k (7600×4300), it really doesn’t look any different from just playing it at 3860×2160.
So something weird is going on on VorpX that is limiting the resolution it renders at.
The Desktop Viewer itself, looks poor compared to the image that the SteamVR UI window gives too. Maybe running at high 2000p? But basically unusable compared to just using native SteamVR desktop windows…PS. I have around 20/20 vision. With the MeganeX8K you can actually do the optometrist tests and pass them about as well as you would in real life, it is just that dense in pixels. The difference between 2000p and 4000p is about the same that you notice on a 1440p to a 4K display, so its quite noticeable to me.
In reply to: Does VorpX support Half-Width SBS?
vorpX renders both eyes at full size and then scales the result down horizontically. So under normal circumstaces you get half-res SBS images with 2×1 supersampling, i.e. considerably better than rendering directly at half width.
Yeah, my guess is that the scaling gets all messed up because I’m using a device that only supports full SBS (xreal air) so I have to scale the image back and forth. The actual screen resolution is 3840×1080 (1920×1080 per eye), but if I set the game resolution to 3840×1080 the game gets squished, the aspect ratio is all wrong. So I have to set the game resolution to 1920×1080
So I set the game resolution to 1920×1080 -> Vorpx renders a full sbs 3840×1080 pixels (1920×1080 per eye) image -> Vorpx then scales this down to a 1920×1080 half-SBS image -> My nvidia graphics card scales it back up to a full SBS 3840×1080 image. I think. It’s confusing.
Maybe all this scaling back and forth is what results in the degraded image? I can’t think of any other reason why the image is so blurry. It’s been a while since I last used it, but if I remember correctly when I tried geo-11 I got a very blurry image as well before I got help on how to configure it for full-SBS. If you have the time, please consider adding an option to display the full-SBS image as it is first rendered. I understand using Vorpx for stereoscopic 3D is not the intended usage but other than this problem it works very well and is the easiest and most well supported way to get geometric 3D. Such an option could potentially make it work much better with AR glasses. Xreal, viture, rokid, rayneo, and maybe in a year or two some of the bigger players will launch their own products in this segment so it might be an untapped market. Even if it was just as an unsupported experimental feature it would be greatly appreciated.
In reply to: Does VorpX support Half-Width SBS?
Yes, that’s the SBS mode vorpX handles.
The way vorpX does it is actually even a bit better than half width SBS normally would be since images are always rendered at full width first and then scaled down to half width when drawing the SBS image, resulting in a 2×1 supersampled image with more preserved detail compared to directly rendering at half width.
So vorpX is actually rendering a full SBS image? Please let us choose to just display that image. Currently, rendering games in 1080p on a 1080p full SBS (3840×1080) monitor results in unreadable text. I need to go to at least 1440p for text to be readable which is very demanding and it sounds unecessary if the image is actually already rendered in full SBS and having to scale it back and forth is what destroys the image quality.
You can use SBS (2:1) + Stretch screen (aspect ratio option) = Normal 3D
Not sure what you mean exactly. My device has a native resolution of 1920×1080 per eye, so the resolution for 3D SBS is 3840×1080. If I set game resolution to this the image gets squished. “Stretch screen (aspect ratio option)” Is this a vorpx setting, I can’t find it. Or is there some other software I can use specifically for the scaling?
Normally I just set the game resolution to 1920×1080 (or 2560×1440 etc) and then vorpx works fine but the image quality is very degraded when I do this, something is messed up with the scaling. Changing nvidia scaling from “GPU” to “Monitor” made it a little bit better but it’s still messed up. I don’t have this issue with geo-11 and full-sbs but in my experience it’s compatible with way fewer games so it only works for a few titles, but the point is I know it’s not supposed to look as degraded as it does and the only reason I can think of is that something is going wrong with the scaling
For example this is how half life 2 looks at 1080p, the text is all messed up. But it’s not just the text or hl2, everything looks way lower res in other games like crysis 3 as well. https://postimg.cc/HrGxjpM7
Topic: Higher resolutions?
I noticed that the actual render resolution of the HMD when running VorpX isn’t that high now that I’m running a MeganeX 8K… any way to make it higher?
I’m used to play games now at around 5000×5000 to 7000×7000 and VorpX seems to run at like… 2600×2600 I get the impression? So even when I run the game at those high resolutions, the image quality is substantially lower than it should since the panels on the MeganeX are close to 4000×4000 by themselves already.
It is especially noticeable in Desktop mode, or with some specific games that I can run in UEVR at 7000×7000 and get flawless image where pixels are effectively invisible, but on VorpX is somehow greatly diminished by this issue…
In reply to: VORPX is the best thing about PCVR
tldr; thank you vorpx
there is nothing in the standalone stores or freeware VR injectors for recent engines that’s 1/1000th as good as playing 1990s-2010s games on vorpx.
.Of course there are a lot of old games with no equals.
Some of them are surprisingly suited for VR.
I would add even recent games are a lot better with VorpX : more immersive, a lot more beautiful in my opinion and objectively a lot more detailed. You can see every details miles around, and with the right graphic card & VR headset, it’s never pixelated.
Metro Exodus Standard edition and Avatar Frontier Of Pandora are absolutely stunning on Reverb G2, you can just stop playing to enjoy the view, it’s like going to an amusement park or to travel, except you are at home).
From my experience (other people on forums have confirmed), recent VR injectors aren’t able to provide the same image quality. It’s especially true if you have a displayport VR headset (no compression), like a Reverb G2 (good image quality but very optimized).
Besides, VorpX handles every important graphics options (raytracing, etc.). You don’t have raytracing in UE4 games with UEVR so most beautiful games are impacted.
There are a lot of recent games I wouldn’t have played at all without VorpX, but they were so beautiful and impressive in VR that it was awesome.
Most beautiful VR games are VorpX converted games.
Some old games are very impressive too, and benefits a lot from VR. They can be so much more beautiful you barrely recognize them (like if it was a remake) and they can be more impressive than most recent flat games would be on a monitor (and more beautiful than most VR exclusive games).
Anyway, there are a lot of games you can’t find in VR (immersive sims, good RPG, the most advanced action games, and even management games, etc.)
VorpX also offers a lot of amazing universes you would never “visit” in VR if you wouldn’t have it.
It allow us to rediscover or discover our favorite games, and to truely choose our VR games.
We can play almost any game in VR (even if it’s not always perfect VR).
VorpX is quite reliable in my opinion, because even if there are better profiles than others, it’s always better than a monitor on my G2, especially with FPS/TPS.
having a pcvr HMD without vorpx is like buying a console or gaming PC and never playing anything except free to play games.
That’s what I feel too. Of course it depends on what you expect from VR games. Some people really wants motion aiming/handling, which aren’t always available, but I think most people who never tried VR aren’t so interrested in this kind of things. It would be great, but most of the time, I prefer playing with my keyboard&mouse (more shortcuts, around 36 directly available with the 11 on the G502 mouse), and so I have to play seated. Anyway, a lot of people can’t or don’t want to play standing all the time.
VorpX is really great if you like conventional gameplay and want to see your games from the inside, or even simply with a better display.
It also have a few other uses than gaming with Desktop Viewer, so it’s a useful tool.
It’s by far currently the best way to convert games for me most of the time, especially AAA games, which are very demanding, benefits from image quality (and animation quality) and usually have compatible profiles.
But it depends on people expecations. There is usually no motion aiming. You can’t always have G3D (but when you can it’s not alternate G3D most of the time, and 3D is really great, with perfectly placed camera and no clipping). VorpX’s Z3D can be really good in modern games by the way, and I prefer a good Z3D over a bad G3D. When a profile doesn’t allow to resize HUD it can sometimes be harder to see (most of the time it’s not really a major problem, because I like immersion and difficulty, and I can still see it with edgepeek or immersive screen, but it’s something that could motivate some people to use other solutions).
VorpX is really better if you own a good PCVR headset. It doesn’t have to be expansive, on the contrary, but it’s better if it has no compression (look for displayport). Most people have a Quest 3, so they have to deal with compression, and they tend to prefer 3D over image quality, because they don’t really know what a good image quality is.
You also must be realistic : VorpX is better optimized than other solutions I tried but you need a good enough graphic card (desktop version if possible) to play the game you want to try. So if you have an old graphic card like GTX1080, you’ll have to play less demanding games, but there is still hundred of great choices (most of my best VR experiences are old games like every original Bioshock).
With an RTX4090, you can max out almost any game (raytracing without DLSS and very high resolution), and other injectors don’t allow that.It’s not always the best for every VR enthousiast (even if I think it’s an essential tool for most VR user), but I think most of the flat gamers would love it if they would have a light and comfortable enough displayport VR headset, and could not go back.
I even think it could convince people who doesn’t usually play to play games because I didn’t really enjoyed video games anymore before VorpX and I would probably don’t play the same games without VorpX.
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Forgive my english, I’m not a native english speaker.
—-So thank you VorpX too.
In reply to: Jurassic Park: Evolution 2
I use the JWE1 Dellrifter22’s profile in curved immersive screen wrapped around me with a 6-8k 4:3 resolution (VorpX V24 Virtual Monitor), ClarityFX and sharpness on Reverb G2.
It hooks with a direct VorpX shortcut and maybe a hook helper.
You should activate headtracking when you are in the jeep in first person view. It’s really nice. It also works with helicopter, etc. You can use full VR instead but immersive screen may be better given the camera is partially locked, and I don’t think you can change the FOV.
I had a doubt at first, but I can confirm Z3D works. You can see it clearly when it rains or when there are bubbles underwater.
Image quality is great (dinosaur skin, etc.)There still may be a better profile because in some games, Z3D is really powerful now.
Hi Ralf, thanks for making an amazing tool!
I decided to dig into shader authoring to try and resolve the G3D shadowing issue in the original Kingdom Come Deliverance game before buying the new release. I have some background in game production but am by no means an expert so please forgive me if I am incorrect in any of my assumptions.
While going through the shaders, I noticed that the default assignment for pixel shader index 5 #1102815474 (whole lighting) appears to affect shadows only, but is assigned to “normal”, not “shadow”. When I use ‘hide’ the image looks exactly the same except with the shadows disappearing. Am I minsunderstanding how this should work or is it possible that this is causing the issue with G3D shadows in the game?
For context pixel shader #2869449876 appears as an albedo pass if ‘hide’ is used – perhaps this would be the ‘whole lighting’ pass as it would add lighting and shadows to the albedo pass?
While I was going through the remaining shaders I found some cascaded shadows and a few others that I assigned to “shadow”‘, however there is no visible difference after assignment, or after restarting the game. Should the changes be immediately visible after assignment, and is there a way to check if they are being loaded and assigned correctly? Or does the main shadow pass override these passes (and would not show a difference if it has not been correctly assigned)?
I really want to get the shadows workking so I can finish this game and play the new one :)
Thanks!
BradIn reply to: Visual Artifacts and Low Image Quality in VorpX
I think an RTX 4060 isn’t a very good graphic card to use PC VR with a Quest 3.
Especially if you use a laptop version, which usually are a lot less powerful.
You may not be able to apply my advices. Try lower values (of SS, Bitrate and resolution) first…
You can check Quest 3 image quality with another PC VR program (like SteamVR’s DeoVR with a detailed 4k regular photo/vidéo, not 180/360°, for example ? Or photogrammetry in SteamVR’s Home)
You could also use a more optimized VR headset. But it’s still a laptop with an RTX4060… I had good results with VorpX, a desktop with GTX1080 and a Reverb G2. I was able to play games like Death Stranding, Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock 1, Elden Ring, Guadians of the Galaxy, etc.
Hello,
I’m experiencing serious image quality issues while using VorpX. Even when just displaying the desktop, I see noticeable artifacts – a kind of shimmering or noise around window edges, buttons, and text. The overall image appears low quality, with a lack of clarity and sharpness.
I’ve tried adjusting VorpX settings, but the issue persists. This problem makes it difficult to use VorpX comfortably.
I am using a Meta Quest 3 with Air Link. My system specs are:
Laptop: ASUS TUF Gaming F15
CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13620H
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop GPU (with Optimus)
Network: Wi-Fi 6 router; the laptop is connected via Ethernet, and the Quest 3 is connected via Wi-Fi at a 2-meter distance with a clear line of sight.
I sent an archive with collected data from VorpX to support at vorpx dot com.Could you please advise on how to resolve this issue?
Thank you.
In reply to: Fallout 4 First person view issues
@ Boblekobold:
Please don‘t advise newcomers to disable automatic settings. Maybe you have a reason to do so, whatever that may be, but that breaks essentially everything that makes advanced DirectVR profiles like the Fallout 4 profile great. It may even break profiles entirely if the automatically set options are required to make 3D work for example. So at the very least please never give this advice without calling it a last resort that breaks almost all good stuff an advanced profile may come with. Thanks!
@ Woobisan:
FOV should be set correctly automatically after running the DirectVR scan. if that fails for some reason, 110, or to be totally precise 112, would indeed be the right value here.
Weapons are supposed to be moved out of sight unless you use them, which may only work correctly with FOV being set to the right value. You can disable this feature on the DirectVR page of the menu, but before you do that, please first try with the correct FOV. It’s actually a really awesome feature unless you like running around with a gun glued to your face all the time. :)
I have had vopx for about 10 days now and have yet been able to get it too work. I have contacted support and have followed all of the suggestions they gave but no luck. seeing if anyone here can help. the errors I get is no oculus headset found I have the meta quest 3. Also getting the failed to attach exe. I have check to make sure nothing that can interfere with it is running. these are the steps I am doing. please let me know if they are not correct as I am new to this.
1. opening vorpx config selecting oculus as device
2. going to local profiles and selecting the profile for the game I am trying to use and clicking apply and close
3. powering on the meta quest 3 which is connected via link cable to pc meta quest link software loads and says connected (although I have read that I should close the meta quest software because vorpx will detect without it so I have tried both ways)
4. Then clicking on the shortcut on my desktop for the game I want to use. (although I have read that I shouldn’t and I should start the game through vorpx but have yet to see a option to do so)I get attaching said exe then attaching exe failed then the menu option comes up where I can choose to install helper or preferred helper which I have tried both then I get no oculus headset found.
this is a 6 week old powerhouse windows 11 pro computer with more then enough hardware to run any game at max settings $2000+ 48GB ram RTX4060 TI MSI b760 4TB Samsung 990 pro with heatsink
I do have dual monitors which I just read this morning that this can be a possible issue so I have yet to try disabling one of them about to leave for work so don’t have time to try this. if anyone can assist it would be greatly appreciated. Games I have tried are Dirt 3, all GRID games, WRC Generation and Call of duty modern warfare.
Also just checking when they say to make sure there are no conflicting software running they just mean to stop there processes in task manager not uninstall them. I know that is a no brainer but I have spent over 30hr in 10 days trying to get this to work so I want to make sure Im not missing anything. I consider myself to be a above average computer technician and troubleshooter but this has me stumped to say the least.
Please HELP someone
