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You can use the 1.5 assistant, it ask separately if you wish to install the oculus runtime. Just say no to that.
At least i got the latest oculus thingie working with the latest assistant.
Just never got around the “press A button”, as i don’t have a controller. So i assume you need to have an xbox controller to get it working.. there seems to be no way around it.
Then again, just the demos i got working was enough Vr for me. Hah, it’s horrible! I’ll stick to my monitor. :)
I got stuff working using the 0.8 runtime, i think the latest one is geared towards CV1. Well i only tested Mirrors Edge and some random stuff.
What runtimes are you using? And how can I get something older than the 1.7 installed?
I think the problem is the 1.7 runtime, i can’t get anything else to work expect the calibration thingie in SteamVR and the fireplace room in Oculus. Oculus seems to want an Xbox controller to do anything, and if i try to open some apps, it wants to calibrate and i cant do that without a xbox controller.. as it won’t take anything else but the button A. Crazy.
You can run it on lower resolution, even at the same resolution as CV1 and HTC. But you will not have the same screen door effect as the pixels on the screen are so much smaller.
Its nice to notice, that no matter what forum you post stuff. The people who are most inclined to reply are the basic yber negative forum lurkers. The reason i do not waste time on forums, as there is always the people who says “the manual says no!”.
Also found out that the position tracking is easy to do with 3 ir leds, webcam and software like freetrack or opentrack. Usually every problem is solvable. Unless you listen to the people of the forums. Then everything is IMPOSSIBLE!
Cost was the main issue using cheap lenses. That is just the way it is.
“A Fresnel lens is an optical component which can be used as a cost-effective, lightweight alternative to conventional continuous surface optics.”
And fresnels are fresnels, they are the cheapest possible way to make lenses. They can be stamped out of plastic.
It´s a product, they make it to make money. They cut cost on everything they can.
Vr gear is extremely simple, so it does not take ages to make something that works. It was merely an issue of components did not exists yet.
And like i said, the S1 is 3rd generation device from 3Glasses. It’s not like they just knock em out in a month.
It’s a big market also in China. You seem to just have the basic western exceptionalism attitude.
People are already noticing how limiting the low resolution on htc & oculus is.
I have a monitor with 1920×1200 resolution, and it fills about 1/8 of my field of view, and i can see pixels. So what happens when i fill my whole field of vision with less pixels? Does not take too much math to realize it’s not exactly optimal.
This is why, resolution is the key for all VR gear. And i would never pay 800$ for a system that is trash after one year when better devices with actually usable resolution come out. I would just lose most of my money trying to sell it for 1/2 – 1/3 of the price.
And yes, i bough DeePoon E2 for little money used. And will gladly pay 300$ for 4k device if it has some support. This is why i’m askin VorpX to support these, as they are mostly HMD with proper resolutions. I have no interest playing childish VR games with weird dongle controllers jumping in my room. I only need a high resolution HMD with head tracking, for stereoscopic 3d.
And china is the only one who is offering devices like these currently.
The lenses are low cost, they try to use software to do it more cheaply. They try to correct all the lens problems in software. Everyone knows proper glass lenses cost money. And now single element lens is ever corrected enough. You need at least 3 elements to do an anastigmat lens.’
Plastic lense also scratch really easily.
I think microsoft published instructions on how to replace Oculus lenses with achromatic glass ones. Also published comparison photos that showed they were clearly far superior. Like you would assume from real glass lenses.
And fresnel lense, they are the cheapest possible alternative. Nothing i would ever use in any optical path. A clear cost cut, gotta maximize the profits. Fresnels are fit for lighting gear etc. like i said. I have plenty of experience using fresnel lenses on many different applications, but never in optical path.
The chinese things probably have the same low cost plastic lense, but not fresnels. At 300$, i don’t dream of high quality glass lenses. But with 4k resolution, it would be super nice.
And as i said, the new 3glasses S1 is actually 120hz and has 2k resolution. And there was no data about the PIMAX 4K UHD.
You really believe that 4 times more resolution equals to “less clear image” ? :) It’s a pretty simple device, you have a display and lenses. If the lenses are even close to oculus level or same, then you have a lot better image thanks to 3 extra megapixels.
Saying it’s like google cardboard, is again dumb. As there is only one phone with 4k display out there, and the processors on them can’t actually run 4k content like PC can. And “just more resolution”, that i pretty much the whole point. More resolution = better. But if you like playing games on low res..
I also think the 300$ price is really fair, compared to Oculus Cv1.. it’s 1/3 of the price. The price even included shipping. And it’s 4k. The problem is just, does it work with games etc. I have no idea. If it does, i would buy it.
The main reason in my interest for them, is the 4k. As i think the current stuff has too low resolution to put any serious money on them. They will loose all the value when they finally will have proper resolutions for actual gaming.
I have seen good reviews of DeePoon Dk2, so i would not dismiss chinese products. It’s seems to pretty popular as cheap alternative. And it only has HD resolution.
I would not also speak of “major vr headsets” when there is like 3 of them out there. And all of them still have a pretty low resolution for gameplay. I do realize that OLED is better, but it’s all about compromises. Resolution would weight more in my cup.
Also even on the “major” headsets, there are some serious cost cuts. In the lenses, like HTC has FRESNEL lenses! That is insane in my opinion. Have you ever seen anyone use fresnel eyeglasses? Hell no. Fresnels are used in stage lighting gear, and lighthouses. Oculus has what looks like cheap one element plastic lenses. Lenses like these, pretty much defeat the benefit of having a quality display.
Like 3 Glasses is pushing out it’s 3rd model already.
Where did you get that the PIMAX 4K UHD is 60hz? I can’t find anything.
overall is hard to find any info about these, DeePoon Dk2 seems to the most popular as it’s been out for some time.
I found this one youtube channel that has some video about the 2k and 4k stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudverKVEkUlY8AtLMIQwZA/videos
The S1 has 120hz and 2k display, also i don’t think LCD is so bad as everyone is pretty much gaming on them all the time.
I would consider gaming on a low resolution a bigger bummer, than a little bit of motion blur.. that i actually don’t see even on my LCD monitor. I know its supposed to be there, but i just can see it while i play. 4k means 4megapixels per eye, it’s a huge difference compared to the oculus & htc 1.2megapixels.
I would not dismiss these things without actual user experience.
The positional tracking is pretty useless and of no interest at least for me, i don’t think vorpX supports it anyhow. And the S1 actually has that.
I would not call 4k a “gimmick”.
Also, i don’t believe that 60hz is too slow, as you rarely even hit 60fps in games. And standard frame rate for movies is under 30fps. Didn’t the DK1 have 60hz? DK2 has 75hz. Not much difference there.
Forgot the review link for the Pimax:
http://www.xiaomitoday.com/pimax-4k-uhd-virtual-reality-3d-headset-launches-august-20/
Not advertising these things, i was just amazed to find these out as nobody is speaking about anything else then Oculus & HTC.
I thought i would have to wait at least 1-2 years for a 4k HMD.