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  • #221907
    djbert
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    I just wanted to drop some feedback on Cyberpunk in VR with Vorpx since I got working this week. It is awesome! I got the same feeling again like when I played Half-Life: Alyx for the first time with my Meta3; I was floored! Once you dial in the VR settings with Vorpx, it looks great and is smooth. I find myself just putting around and taking in the sights, as it really changes the perspective of the game; almost like it is brand new game you are playing for the first time. The immersion even gets to me a little bit. Like being high up in the game and looking around/down, I will get the heebie-jeebies for a bit lol. I wear my Astro A50 headphones with my meta3 and it is a great immersion bubble for the game. The sights and sounds really are great. And aiming with your head is growing on me as well, though I play with a xbox controller to get around. It works well imo once you practice the aiming mechanic with your head movements and the body movements with the controller.
    Some parting thoughts. I fired up Alyx again to compare the graphics between both and Alyx is way better than CP2077 by a long shot imo. To note I do have an RTX 5090, so I am sure that is factor. However, to be fair of course, Alyx is a purpose-built VR game, and it is nowhere as open-ended like CP2077. But if CP2077 was as CLEAR and SMOOOTH as Alyx in VR at least, man CP2077 would be the game of the decade for VR play. Well, if anyone actually knows how to tweak CP2077 to have the same clarity and smoothness as Alyx on a meta3, I am all ears lol.

    Khaleev
    Participant

    Thanks for your response. I use vorpx mainly for DX9 game, DX11/12 and others pcvr game like Elite dangerous, Half-Life Alyx etc…
    Right know i run my Reverb G2 with 3080 FE 10gb paired with i5 9600. My CPU frame times are really high in game like Elite Dangerous.
    In the few VR benchmarks i saw it seems that the 7800X3D will be a really good improvement to reduce frames time cause of the 3d-V cash.
    I upgrade my rig cause i want to fully use my G2 at 90fps native resolution (or at least try to approach that). I have an opportunity to buy a 7800X3D for a little less than 300 euros.

    Maybe someone using Vorpx and PCVR game with that processor can enlight me?

    #218910
    rustyshackleford
    Participant

    Before the update the weapons were too big/too close to face with weapon hiding options enabled. Weapons were okay sized/depth if i disabled this option. With the most recent update even disabling this option has no effect.

    #215449
    Smoils
    Participant

    Great that HL1 got the raytracing treatment, sure worth tinkering around with.

    BUT: if you actually want to play Half-Life, play Black Mesa: Source with vorpX instead. Half-Life was great at the time for sure, but Black Mesa is the better game in every imaginable way. Incidentally also one of the highend vorpX profiles with DirectVR support at its fullest extent. And it actually looks better than the raytraced HL1 (way better models and textures) while being 10x faster.

    Pretty much a close to native VR experience, and even better if you add two or three shooting related controller gestures with the latest vorpX beta.

    Thanks Ralf, already experienced that awesome game in awesome Vorpx Vr

    Senan
    Participant

    I’ve been testing out this new headset (coming from a Quest 2) and I’m running into strange problems that I can’t figure out. For instance, I just tried playing Half-Life 2, which always ran near perfectly on the quest (even with Airlink), and I’m getting constant de-syncing and lag, and also some weird issue where I’m seeing flashing mirror images of my weapons at times. I have no idea what could be causing this behavior. It was pretty bad in Fallout 76 as well, to the point I couldn’t really play it.

    I know this isn’t a PC spec issue (running a 3080 OC, with a more than capable CPU) and again, these games ran fine on the Quest 2.

    Any idea of what could be causing a wired headset have lag and desync issues like this? Thanks in advance.

    (For the record, I’ve been using it to play Everquest (one of the main reasons I bought the reverb since only WMR headsets will work with this game for some reasons) and apart from some gamma issues and needing to use a gamepad to bring up and use the Vorpx menu, it’s been working fine for that.)

    JetCat
    Participant

    Greetings 3D fans,

    I am thinking about buying VorpX for Doom2016 and Dishonored 2!
    I´m slooooooowly running out of VR games because there is not much in true AAA quality after Half-Life Alyx and Moss, only indie-stuff and 2 hour games, that´s why I want regular AAA games in VR.
    Just like Alien Isolation with that Mother-Mod, wow one of the BEST games for VR out there!

    But VR has one significant flaw, everything is way too small and not life-like sized, and that´s why all games need to have the SteamVR world slider set to 120% to have the world around me in authentic life-like size.
    Otherwise VR would look like a completely off and strange dwarfen world with ridiculous 140cm dwarfs as NPC´s standing around, chairs and tables look like made for elementary school children, and in general everything is only half the size it should be in VR when playing without the SteamVR world slider (which is the most legendary and important option ever implemented in any program!)

    The world scaling option in SteamVR solves this problem diving into some ridiculous dwarven world whenever putting on the headset, for good!

    Everything looks great now thanks to SteamVR world scaling. Even the cockpits in Flight Simulator 2020 needs slight scaling correction, the Fenix Airbus has a perfect life-like size in 110%, and the DCS jetfighters look great at 115-122% world size scaling.
    Alien Isolation needs SteamVR world scale adjustment of 125% otherwise small children´s hands are holding the flamethrower.
    You see how important size scaling is for VR? It is the main difference between being fully immersed, or being in a strange dwarven world where nothing has the right size and scale.

    So to get to the point, it is not possible for me to enjoy VR without world scaling option because only having the correct size of objects gives immersion.

    X-Plane for example has no world scale slider in VR, that´s why the cockpit chairs have the size for elementary school children, ridiculous and absolute impossible to immerse myself in such a cockpit.

    You see, not graphics but seeing objects in the the right proper world-like size makes a game a masterpiece or a no-go in VR. :)

    My question is:
    Has VorpX a world size slider option for games like Doom2016, Dishonored 2, (and I would also love to play Outlast and Soma if possible)?
    Without world scaling the immersion and sense of size and height is so off that a VR gane is not enjoyable.
    I need to know if I can adjust the size of the 3D world when using VorpX for a game before buying it :)

    #213090
    CyberJ
    Participant

    Hi folks,
    Long time lurker here even longer user.
    Ralf, you’re a genius and indeed the cause of me purchasing games I wouldn’t have even humored .. so thanks for that haha =)

    Anywho, ..
    I have tried a plethora of profiles with the steam game Indutria and simply can not get any “3d depth” or “FOV” to work at all. There are a few profiles that give the geometry options but the FOV slider doesn’t change the image.

    I have read on reddit and YT that either Half-Life 2 or the Bioshock Infinite works but I couldn’t get HL2 to hook at all and Bioshock profile doesn’t exist anymore so no joy there.
    I have also tried Control, Medieval Dynasty (or something like that), Get Even, A Hat in Time, Ace Combat, … well lets just say I have tried a few lol.

    Has anyone played this game at all and can help a poor guy out, no hair left to pull out.
    Or anyone have an Unreal 4 profile I can try with ?

    I wouldn’t normally beg like this but I don’t really want to go through every profile (although I will if I have too lmao).

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    #212961
    Objectionne
    Participant

    I’ve played with settings some more and will post my experience in case others have the same issue.

    I haven’t been able to resolve the latency issue, but I’ve found that you can still get games to look good with minimum latency by setting a high resolution for the game and then using a Dynamic bitrate in Air Link.

    For Half-Life 2 for example I’m setting a resolution of 2880×2160 and then the dynamic bit rate seems to fluctuate from around 50-70Mbps. The game looks pretty nice like this and I don’t see any real latency. I’ve tried similar with Oblivion and get the same results.

    The obvious drawback with this though is that it probably won’t be effective with more modern games as I won’t be able to use a high resolution without tanking performance – more likely I’ll have to use a lower resolution *and* use a dynamic bit rate and it’ll look crummy.

    Although I’ve got things to a level I’m happy with for the older games I’m playing right now, I still don’t see any reason why I should have to use a low bit rate in Air Link. I just don’t see how Vorpx could be affecting the network performance.

    #212917
    Objectionne
    Participant

    Hello, I recently started using Vorpx. I’m using a Meta Quest 2 and connecting to my PC wirelessly via Air Link. I’m finding that after performing a DirectVR scan in any game I immediately begin seeing high latency afterwards. By high latency I mean that I the game begins stuttery and when I look around by moving my head I see black in the parts of the screen that hadn’t already been rendered and it takes about two or three seconds to catch up and render.

    I believe that this is high latency – in terms of the connection between PC and headset – because the FPS counter still shows 120fps even while experiencing this. The game I’ve tried are older, low spec games like Half-Life 2, Portal and Oblivion. My specs are:

    GeForce RTX 3060
    Ryzen 5600x
    32GB RAM

    I understand that DirectVR as well as using VR in general can hit performance but I’d still expect my PC to very comfortably be able to run games like Half-Life 2 and Oblivion and the FPS counter backs me up on that.

    Ordinarily I don’t have latency issues while using Air Link. I’m running on an 867Mbps local network with both the VR headset and PC close to the router and I’m able to play native VR games using Air Link with a fixed 200mbps bit rate and don’t have any issues with latency or image quality. This issue only occurs while using vorpx and only while using DirectVR.

    Does anybody have any ideas for what the issue could be and how I might resolve it? Thank you in advance.

    #210046
    Ralf
    Keymaster

    Did you change to a 4:3 res? has to be exactly 4:3 for Portal 2 and other games based on the same engine (e.g. Half-Life 2 or Black Mesa). Viable resolutions would e.g. be 1600×1200, 1920×1440 or 2560×1920.

    On a sidenote: Watched your Far Cry video earlier and noticed that you changed the aspect to ‘Letterbox’. While that is highly useful when vorpX can’t handle FOV automatically, it’s not necessary in games where vorpX adjusts the FOV. Whenever a profile supports automatic FOV, vorpX computes an FOV that perfectly fits your headset FOV regardless of settings in the menu.

    The only reason to prefer ‘Letterbox’ with automatic FOV handling would be getting a crisper image, which of course can be a good reason too.

    Just a guess, but I wouldn’t rule out that in case of Portal 2 that may introduce flicker.

    #209883
    rustyshackleford
    Participant

    The game is not officially supported. If you want to create a user profile for it and are certain it’s an OpenGL program try to take some other OpenGL profile as a base for a new one (e.g. Quake 1-4, Amnesia, Jedi Knight II). Try more than one if the first one doesn’t do the trick right away. Be aware though that OpenGL G3D support in vorpX is limited to fairly old (fixed function) OpenGL versions.

    A much better way to experience (a re-imagined) Half-Life 1 is Black Mesa: Source though, which you can purchase on Steam. Basically Half-Life with way better graphics. For the Steam version of Black Mesa: Source a fully featured DirectVR profile exists.

    just play Black Mesa: Source isn’t a solution as I am trying to play a Half-life 1 mod. Is there really no way to get Half-life 1 to work with vorpx? I tried following these instructions and it didn’t work.

    #209702
    Ralf
    Keymaster

    The list is shorter currently than I’d like it to be, will check some more first person games shortly together with adding gestures. Got somewhat shoved to the backseat when I started to experiment with gestures. Same for the related authoring UI.

    With the current detection mechanism my guess would be that it should be possible to add the feature to maybe half the G3D first person games. Additional manual authoring based on shaders or buffers is thinkable and would probably be able to catch most of the other half, but would also require more work per game than the current mechanism. So no promises in that respect.

    Current games with auto weapon hide:

    Aliens: Colonial Marines
    Black Mesa Source
    Crysis
    Fallout 4
    Half-Life 2 and episodes
    Halo MCC (tested only on the first campaign)
    Portal 2
    Skyrim SE
    Titanfall 2

    #208215
    Ralf
    Keymaster

    @ Lawrence: I’m thinking about adding a little hint to the installer that makes purists who don’t consider VR without full motion controls worth it aware of what to expect. Don’t want to waste anyone’s time.

    That aside: motion controllers work fairly well as gamepad. They will be set to gamepad mode per default for the release, so no tinkering required to get any key mappings right.

    Obviously not as good full native motion controller support, but leagues better than holding a gamepad in front of you when you play standing. Having your hands free just feels more natural and if you want, you even can fake object interaction or aiming with guns, playing ‘air guitar’ so to speak. That can add quite a bit to the immersion.

    That works well with any FPS game where vorpX supports 6DOF Tracking btw. I played through large parts of Half-Life 2 that way for example some years ago. All you need is a bit of an inner child left in you, and you forget that you aren’t actually aiming in a blink of an eye.

    #207531
    CrazyDolphin
    Participant

    I recently completed Bioshock 2 Remastered, and overall had a great time. Observations are as follows:
    – Played on a i7-8700, 16GB RAM. GTX1070Ti with a Valve Index (90Hz, Motion Smoothing On) while standing. I know my rig is old, but three words spell it out (kid in college).
    – Played in Full VR with the only adjustments being the HUD display to see things like Health and Plasmid Levels, and deciding how much of the helmet was in my Feld of View.
    – I played Remastered over the vanilla version because vanilla was causing so many game crashes I stopped playing the game. Remastered was much more stable for myself, but the visuals were not as clean as what the vanilla version provided. Remastered had its crashes as well, but far less than vanilla.
    – Playing while being inside the helmet was great fun. I could actually lean forward with my head, and it felt like I was able to see more of the environment. This was fun because it made me feel like I was inside of the helmet, and greatly enhanced the immersive aspects of the experience.
    – My biggest issues were that: (i) my hands/weapons felt too big, (ii) my default height felt too short (but was adjustable if memory serves), and (iii) the weapons had no collision detection, so they often went ‘into’ objects.
    – Direct VR usage was essential, and really helped to stabilize the image, and made looking around in the Bioshock universe so enjoyable.
    – There were often graphical issues, like where shadows did quite match with objects, or where background items had a different blackness level compared to nearby objects, but ultimately were non-issues before vorpX was able to put me in the Bioshock universe in a way that I enjoyed.

    I played Bioshock 1 on a flatscreen about three years ago, and had a great time. I’ve played the Bioshock-themed workshop level on Half-Life Alyx, and also had a great time. Bioshock 2 Remastered was better because I got to live in the world while experiencing a full campaign with an engaging storyline.

    Ralf
    Keymaster

    vorpX already provides out-of-the-box automatic FOV setup for Half-Life 2 via the DirectVR memory scanner and more than that. You can actually play the game in (almost)roomscale VR. There isn’t anything useful this update could add.

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