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  • #219763

    In reply to: Cyberpunk Photo Mode?

    Vektor
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    Yeah, nothing works. I tried turning 3d off completely, and it still crashes. Eventually, I accidentally engaged Edge Peek (with 3d off) and that sorta worked for a minute or two.

    It just really stinks because I’m someone who likes to take a lot of screenshots. (A LOT of screenshots. lol) Ah well. =( Thanks for responding.

    #219690
    derekp
    Participant

    If the game has TrackIR support, you should be able to easily switch it on yourself in the vorpX ingame menu. vorpX can detect if TrackIR is available in a game and displays according options in the menu in that case.

    Hi Ralf, thanks for the reply!

    So I checked again, but TrackIR doesn’t show up as an option under the “Head Tracking Settings” menu. It only shows the standard HT options (Head Tracking On/Off, HT Sensitivity, etc.). I was on version 21.3.5 so I tried 24.1.0 just to see if that made a difference, but it didn’t. I do know the VorpX TrackIR feature can work on my system, cause it does show up as an option when I try running the game rFactor, so it’s something about NR2003 that it’s not seeing TrackIR is integrated into the game. I guess one other thing I should mention is that we’re (the community that still plays this 20yr old sim) using this d3d8 to d3d9 wrapper to get it running in dx9, as the game was a dx 8.1 title – https://github.com/crosire/d3d8to9. Not sure if that has anything to do with the issues.

    If you have the time to look into it, you can acquire the game for free and get it up and running from the directions on this page – https://drnoisepaints.com/index.php/how-tos/installing-nr2003-in-2022/. It’s considered “abandonware” now so there’s no need to buy it (they don’t sell it anymore anyway), and the key everyone uses is a key support used to give out to people who lost their original one. Happy to answer any questions or help with setup if you decide to give it a go. If you could get Full VR working on this sim you’d definitely have the gratitude of a few 1000 people that still play it :LOL:

    #219647
    Boblekobold
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    @dazzla :
    I didn’t try Fallout 4, but when you use VorpX, you change resolution in game (or in .ini/.cfg game files).

    You must usually change FOV too.

    Most headset (Quest 3, Reverb G2) have a 4:3 resolution. So choose a resolution like 2880×2160 at least or 3840×2880 if your PC can handle it.

    You must set a high FOV too (try 120 for example) to use full VR.

    That’s what a native game would do. You just have to do it yourself if needed.

    In Full VR, you should unzoom to the border of your view. It will be blurry if you zoom into the image.

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    If you can’t change the game resolution, maybe you should check “Don’t optimize game settings” in VorpX config.
    Use VorpX Beta and virtual monitor to have any resolution you need, even if your monitor doesn’t handle it.
    Last thing : games with detailed textures will be better, because you see every detail in VR…

    #219444
    Laser
    Participant

    Geometry 3D in cinema mode, I had to adjust gamma because it was too dark for me in default mode, so adjust that if it feels too bright.

    Profile in (beta) cloud.

    Reaver Shadow
    Participant

    UPDATE: Virtual Desktop usage

    Last few days I’ve been using Virtual Desktop, rather then Quest Desktop App to run game w/vorpX. Here is an account of my experiences, which is overall GREAT!

    Re-fresher on steps:
    (1) In Virtual Desktop Streamer APP, set to VDXR (I haven’t attempted automatic yet)
    (2) In VorpX Config app, Set to OpenXR

    Observations:
    – So far nearly flawless.

    – IMO Image Quality is slightly better then Quest app. I suspect better automatic encoding bitrate adjustment, and probably 10-bit HEVC helps. (I manually set HEVC in oculus diagnostic tool, but doubt it’s 10-bit).

    – Major ability I prefer/enjoy, is being able to take off Headset (or lift), and put back on with near zero issues. AirLink is just awful for this. When the AirLink connection is stopped, it causes chaos, and my only resort is restart entire PC. (Workaround is double tap oculus to turn on pass through)

    – Enjoy that I can adjust setting/make tweaks to stream within Virtual Desktop App rather then needing Oculus Diagnostic tool via desktop.

    – Virtual Desktop Performance Overlay provides additional information, at least about the stream, which is helpful for overall optimization.

    – I haven’t done any concreate tests, but it does seem like Virtual Desktop is more Energy efficient then AirLink. Headset seems to get less hot, and seemed like I was on battery for @ least 30 min longer.

    VD Streaming Settings:
    I had to disable these settings in order to have VorpX run smoothly.
    – Synchronous SpaceWarp (SSW); caused the 3D image to be “delayed” (or lack of better wording), when moving, and seeing two images.
    – Video Buffering; there was a choppiness or shuttering, as if the framerate was dropping to single digits.
    – Snapdragon Game Super Resolution; Caused pixel artifacts when moving head.

    Other VD settings:
    – increase color vibrance” = off. This is personal rather then image quality or performance, because to me it makes the image more warm white/yellow. I like cool white.
    – VR Graphics Quality = Medium (GPU = RTX 2080Ti), I’ll test with High soon.
    – VR Frame Rate = 90fps, I may test with lower frame rate for VorpX Immersive Mode.
    – VR Bitrate = 150 Mbps (I can be on other side of apartment, 3 ways and fridge in between direct path with Tp-Link Archer A10 Router [WiFi is Quest 2 only], and no quality or fps drops)
    – Sharpening = 75% (default)
    – Increase Video Nominal Range = off, this feels like a personal thing. I need to figure out how it works, feels like they’re stretching the color space, rather then using what the Devs (game or mod) creators intended. But it does make things darker, if you are playing something horror/scary/creep.

    On another note: would like to retract my comment about keyboard in Quest App. Initially, it’s height was at mouth level, and interfering with desktop interactions. I have since learned you can move it where ever you like.

    #219358
    MarcDwonn
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    @Luka – Because i have planned a replay of the Metro trilogy, i want to ask you:

    1) Do you have proper Ambient Occlusion and dynamic shadows in G3D in Metro?

    2) What versions of Metro are we talking about here? All 3 games or just the first one? Enhanced or original edition?

    PUZZELE
    Participant

    I JUST bought the program VorpX out of desperation to try and use my 3d TV. It works AWESOME!!!

    I haven’t even tried the VR headset yet… but its already worth it… But I do have a newbie question:
     
    Is there a way to disable the nag screen for Generic 3D (Hit Alt, Control & Shift). It’s kind of a pain in the butt to hitt Alt & Control & Shift every time. I know this sounds silly.. but some games detect me touching the keyboard and than thinks I don’t want to use the controller…

    Got an easy idiot proof way to disable this nag screen?

    PS: Personally… I humbly think the programmer should just fix whatever tiny bugs exist for Generic 3D because its already awesome and then really promote selling it to a whole new group of folks… I previously used a program called Tridef 3D.. but that software no longer is supported so I tried ForpX out of desperation… From all of the disclaimers saying it isn’t intended for 3D monitors, I really figured it was going to be junk… but from the few games I tried (i.e. Rayman Origins), its friggin’ awesome and I can once again use my 3D tv. :)

    MarcDwonn
    Participant

    I usually prefer VD for everything else, but for VorpX always used the native way – (Air)Link. The recent version seems more stable to me, but it could just be the new wireless with 6GHz that i have with Quest 3, so in my apartment i have zero interference from neighbors.

    If VorpX can run with VDXR, i’d like to hear about it, because with OpenXR i’ve had the best experience. And SteamLink, well, it’s not as competitive currently, but is very convenient, and i wonder if VorpX can utilize it.

    #219157
    IA_Predator
    Participant

    First of all, I love VorpX for what it can do (actually my first purchase after getting my VR Headset). But for the best of it, I cannot play in FullVR mode because I am unable to aim with my head. I can live with a lot of compromises but that’s somehow not working. Then you came up with the incredible idea of having gestures, especially the gun gestures. But still head aiming, now my neck hurts :D

    So, I started tinkering with compromises. It is basically a combination of VorpX Desktop Viewer, Reshade and FreePIE. The main idea is to use head aiming when running around (that I can live with), but when entering the gun pose, I detach the view from the head and attach it instead to the controller (That’s where reshade and FreePie come in). So, it is basically like holding a handheld and aiming with the gyro, just larger and better because you can still orientate with your head (despite some blackness around the screen) but aim with your hand. Current drawback: no more 3D.

    I have two videos showing this from within the headset and from the full screen.
    HMD View
    Screen

    There might be slight distortions, but I hope you can grasp the idea. Maybe this could be integrated into VorpX directly with all its benefits.

    #219059
    Sephael
    Participant

    VorpX crash after installing Phantom Liberty.

    VorpX : beta 23.1.0
    Cyberpunk was a fresh install, no phantom liberty, just a few texture mods and latest CET. I imported the Cyberpunk2077[vorpx] profile, i did not install missing componant (i don’t know what it was, and i just want to play with mouse & keyboard like always in Z3D), the game works, but i had to change some settings to my get usual experience back (i play in immersive screen, and i changed the FOV to 100 because it was streched from vorpx auto FOV).
    Anyway, worked like a charm, i was very happy, especialy with the HUD and minimap more centered in the screen, that was perfect.

    So i bought and installed phantom liberty and now it crashes : i launch the game, vorpx is hooking, black screen and crash to desktop few seconds later.
    I tried to re-import the vorpx profil, but it didn’t change anything.
    Without VorpX, the game run juste fine.

    Wehrwolfi
    Participant

    Hi Vorpx lovers !

    I’m a recent Vorpx user and tested it so far only with a few games, maybe not the best ones as they are not officially supported (Far Cry 5, Guardians of the Galaxy).
    Although the result is great and in some cases really near to my 1080p physical display, letting me use the headset most of the time.
    I play mostly in Immersive Screen for those games without head tracking, so basically, I mainly use the stereo-3D function as I would have done with Reshade+SuperDepth3D in the past.

    My headset is Pico 4, I connect through Virtual Desktop, my GPU is RTX 3090.

    I found that the best graphical quality was achieved with those settings :
    – Games resolution the higher possible (over 4k resolution I don’t find that much difference and performance decreases a lot)
    – Play through steamVR mode instead of just Generic 3D Display (then Virtual desktop SBS desktop mode). Because VD is capped at 1440p…
    – VD setting in Godlike (3120×3120), HEVC-10 codec, max bitrate.

    What I would like to understand is how the render chain is made to find the “sweet spot”.

    First step is the game itself : setting the higher resolution improves the quality and sharpness, making the use of AA unnecessary.
    I would tend to say that here the higher is the better.
    Then Vorpx :for example, in my case, if I don’t run the game through Vorpx virtual screen, then 4K resolution will be in fact DSR. Does Vorpx “grab” the output at 4K before downscaling to 1080p ? If yes, we benefit from DLDSR a bit. If not, it would be better to use custom 4K resolution on virtual screen.
    Then SteamVR : renders at 3120×3120 because of VD Godlike setting. Don’t know if I should put a manual value there? Maybe the same as game resolution?
    Then Virtual Desktop : takes the output from SteamVr, encodes it and sends to Headset, then decodes it in Standalone and updscales/downscales to headset resolution, with barrel distortion etc…

    So, there is a whole chain of conversions involved there. I would like to get your advise on what could be a common guideline to set it up. Is simply the higher resolution at all steps the best if the computer can manage it? Or should we try to align everything on same value to avoid upscales/downscales etc?

    Thanks in advance :)

    #219022
    Dutch2
    Participant

    What version of Woff do you have?

    Hey Dutch, I’ve just tried your solution but every time I launch CFS3 the .ini file rewrites itself back to =1. Any ideas on the cause? I’m using the out-of-the-box most recent version of the game so am wondering if there’s anything else I should install. Any help would be appreciated!

    #218983
    Waggaz
    Participant

    Hey Dutch, I’ve just tried your solution but every time I launch CFS3 the .ini file rewrites itself back to =1. Any ideas on the cause? I’m using the out-of-the-box most recent version of the game so am wondering if there’s anything else I should install. Any help would be appreciated!

    #218749

    In reply to: disappointed in vorpx

    Boblekobold
    Participant

    Just tried Metro Last Light Redux (2 euro on Steam this week). It’s impressive. G3D seems perfect so far (First Level). I think the game is far less optimized than Metro Exodus, because it ask a lot to my RTX 4090 (even the best card possible is not enough to get the perfect resolution and framerate on Reverb G2). But it’s enough to be really good.
    I played in 2880×2160 ultra (I think I can still raise it a little bit more). I tried 3200*2400, it was visually perfect, but framerate was a bit low ‘^^

    #218746
    dellrifter22
    Participant

    I’ve been using the Varjo Aero for a year now (coming from Reverb G1) and it works great with vorpX. The G1 was already a good experience, but since vorpX gaming is my main hobby, naturally I rationalized the upgrade.

    I play all my games seated at the desk – mouse and keyboard, and only use minimal head tracking to occasionally look side to side. For me it’s about sitting comfortably and having the best fidelity visuals possible – so that I can get lost in these game worlds for hours at a time. I’ve learned that when playing this way, I prefer high resolution over high FOV, and a heavy headset vs one that puts pressure on my nose and cheeks.

    While super high fov is desirable for standard vr, it is not always ideal for vorpX. Many games do not allow 120+ degrees fov, and therefore you must zoom out the image in vorpX to compensate. This zooming out reveals the edges of the screen, which greatly hinders immersion. Much better to let the physical size of the lenses naturally limit your view than to have artificial edges on the screen. in the G1 I could zoom out to 90% before noticing the bottom edge, now in my Aero I can zoom out until 70%.

    Although heavier than G1, the Aero + counterweight comfort kit is much more friendly to my face. Thanks to the rigid strap, it can hold the front end out in front rather than resting on my face. With an added square of T-shirt tied from front to back, the weight is distributed evenly over the top of my head, all supported by my neck. I even removed the face cushion and put a thin layer of fabric there that only gently brushes my cheeks (and blocks the velcro). With this setup, I only stop playing because I am tired, but never because I’m uncomfortable.

    A very lightweight pair of Koss KPH30i works great for decent audio. I tied them to the top strap and let them just rest on the Aero’s headstrap. All you need do is pull them down over your ears to use. The cable I have rapped around the headset a couple times to not hang loose.

    My frame rates actually improved a little from G1. Something about the Varjo software runs better, and it has helped keep my 2080ti relevant.

    There’s really only two things that initially bothered me about the Aero. First was the larger nose gap in between the eyes (less binocular overlap), and second, the contrast of both eyes was not identical in dark scenes. I don’t know if that was just a defect of my unit (never heard reviewers mention it), but bright scenes look great. Very quickly my brain accustomed to the larger nose gap, and now I rarely even notice it during play. I don’t tend to look in the far corners of my eye anyway, as it quickly becomes straining.

    Anyway, I maybe wouldn’t say the Aero is the best all-rounder vr headset. But for vorpX, it’s the best one I’ve tried. G2 is still great though I’m sure.

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