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  • #211292

    In reply to: Pico Neo 3 Link

    jjensson
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    I’d like to know as well. I’m currently thinking about replacing my Quest 2 with the Neo 3 Link, because the reviews are excellent, and it seems to be the perfect HMD for PCVR. The DisplayPort connection and the superior display clarity is what sells it to me.

    Weird that it’s not working with VorpX. It’s SteamVR compatible, so VorpX should theoretically see a SteamVR HMD. Did you try the other options, like OpenXR? IDK, just speculating here…

    hamfast
    Participant

    I spent a few hours (both in and out of the headset) trying to get it to work, and all I succeeded in doing was making myself sick.

    This is my first time attempting to use vorpX, so I don’t know whether I’m being really stupid and using vorpX completely incorrectly, or if I’m just struggling to get the settings right for this specific game.

    My hardware:
    RTX 2080 TI graphics card
    HTC Vive Pro headset
    Vive controllers
    Index controllers

    The first thing I did was turn on my headset, start SteamVR, and then start vorpX and set the profile to Unreal 3, and then finally start up Naissancee. (A youtube tutorial informed me this was the correct order to do things- please let me know if that’s wrong!)

    At first I was trying to use the Index controllers, but I couldn’t get edgepeek or the in-game settings menu to work with them. So eventually I gave up and switched to mouse and keyboard. I would prefer to eventually be able to play the game standing up using controllers, but I’ll certainly settle for mouse and keyboard if that’s the only option that can work for Naissancee.

    Once I was able to get past the main menu, I encountered several problems. The first problem was that everything was extremely grainy and pixelated. This is how I would expect things to look if my resolution was too low, but the game wouldn’t allow me to change the resolution from 800×600. Every time I set the resolution to something else and clicked ‘apply,’ nothing would visually change, and when I went back to the settings menu, the resolution was back to 800×600!

    The second problem was that looking around with the headset was not smooth at all. It wouldn’t pick up on very subtle head movements, and slow head movements would jitter and stutter.

    The third problem was that there was something very wrong with the field of view, and possibly the depth as well, for lack of a better word. (By depth, I mean distances directly in front of me appearing too long or too short- sort of like a fish-eye effect, I guess.)

    Since Naissancee doesn’t seem to have DirectVR support, I expected I would have to spend a lot of time adjusting the FOV before it would look right. However, I assumed it would be pretty intuitive whether it was currently too high or too low. But once I got into the game, I found I couldn’t actually tell what was wrong with it- it just looked really wrong somehow, and it was making me nauseous. My first thought was to try raising/lowering the FOV manually and seeing which one made it better, but I couldn’t find any way of changing the FOV, whether in the Naissancee settings or in the vorpX in-game settings.

    Since it was so unintuitive to me whether the FOV was too high or too low, it occurs to me that perhaps I misdiagnosed the problem, and it actually had nothing to do with FOV. Maybe this was another side effect of the resolution being set wrong, or maybe it was caused by some other issue that never occurred to me. My assumption is that it’s the FOV, but if anyone with more vorpX experience has a more likely answer, please let me know.

    It also seemed like the mouse/head turn sensitivity was too high, but I tried to solve the other issues first, and I wound up making myself too sick to continue before I could get to the sensitivity issues. I normally have pretty good VR legs, but the messed up perspective and jittery head movement proved to be too much for me.

    I don’t want to admit defeat after only one attempt, so any help would be very much appreciated.
    Sorry if there’s some really obvious solution that I’m missing. I did attempt to read all the official instructions and watch a few youtube tutorials before getting started, but I still found myself stumped.

    #211172

    In reply to: Vorpx, VR and low fps

    ToxicMike
    Participant

    I am not that much of a 3D-Fan and mostly bought vorpX to play on huge theater screens (free software doing the same causes too many troubles with several games) rather than having 3D effects, even if those effects can be really nice and add alot to the experience.

    So far i am gettin more into that 3D thing over the time and seem to use this feature more often now. Just today i started RESIDENT EVIL 2 (the remake of course) again, but this time in 3D and wow….LOL…when i first saw it all with geometry i almost fell off my chair. SADLY my rig can´t handle it so it´s stuttering pretty bad, lowering graphic configurations made it a little better but i still wasn´t “great”.

    But when i switched to Z3D it suddenly ran completely smooth and i was also able to use my standard graphic configuration rather than lowering most of it down to the minimum.

    So my first realization: Yes! Geometry seems to suck alot of power, so it seems i should get a better rig asap!

    markbradley1982
    Participant

    Although I think we all can agree that stereoscopic mode is the best with G3D being the gold standard, but Z3D actually being quite decent too (I am playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake this way and played Cyberpunk like this too).

    But what about games that won’t run in stereoscopic mode? I still find these games more immersive in a headset as the headset completely isolates me from the outside world. It’s my preferred way to play during sunny days where there is glare on my 4k 70 inch TV that is connected to my PC.

    Furthermore VorpX adds a little extra even for non stereoscopic games since you can still track your head movement to mouselook. This can help enhance monocular depth cues.

    And speaking of monocular depth cues; since flat gaming is just a 3D image projected on a 2D plane, does anyone get an illusion of a 3D effect through just monocular depth cues when playing a game? I swear sometimes even flat games can look “almost” stereoscopic because I can start imagining the depth levels as if it were truly stereoscopic.

    Anyone get this? It’s not as good of an effect as even Z3D obviously nor is it actually stereoscopic, but I’m certain it’s there and it’s caused by monocular depth cues such as parallax, lighting, shadows, etc.

    It’s like hearing a song from your memory vs actually hear it in real life. A pale imitation of the real thing, but appreciated if you have no better option at the moment. Thoughts?

    #210963

    In reply to: AMD FSR 2.0

    Ralf
    Keymaster

    FSR 2.0 has to be implemented by game developers directly, it’s a lot more complex to add to a game than FSR 1.0. It’s better because unlike the first version it’s not “just” a post effect (+ a mipmapping hack) that utilizes image data. Instead it relies on 3d motion vector and occlusion data that isn’t available unless it gets created by the game engine. Trying to use the technique without this data is pretty much pointless, it’s the most important ingredient.

    #210566
    Lewy1984
    Participant

    Well the topic was last discussed in September 2021 so it has gone quiet.

    I’ve been playing in 3D since 2009 and still do today. There are so many alternatives like Tridef3D, Reshade3D or 3DTV Play. For me this technology is not obsolete because today I can still play everything in 3D even the latest games.

    I have a projector with a 120 inch screen. A game in 3D on this big screen is a dream. It’s sad when someone says this technology is outdated. I think you just don’t know how great this technology is.

    #210528
    smokebreak86
    Participant

    12700k not overclocked.
    Rtx 3080 not overclocked.
    32gb of ram and everything is brand new. No dying video card. No overclocking and no dying ram. My pc works a 100 percent fine doing everything. Except when running this program. It plays the game just fine without the program.
    This program definitely does not work flawlessly. The settings are broken. I have the oculus quest 2. But I have to have it on steam valve settings for the vorpx to even boot up with the correct video showing through my oculus quest 2 (also my oculus quest 2 is brand new). Then I have to have windows MR controller setting for my Xbox controller to work so it doesn’t constantly try to use the mouse for head tracking making the screen pop in and out of zoom. This program has faults. Great for the people it works for but it’s not flawless and it does cause my pc to freeze. I wish this was not the case because I love this program and it’s cool. But it does not work right. Anyone else finding themselves here being told it’s their brand new pc that’s the problem it’s fortunately not the case. I love what your doing mate but there is still some work to be done with this program. If you have any tips other than telling me it’s my hardware I would love to hear it.

    #210257
    3oxis
    Participant

    Okay so I tried the ‘Other Mod’ and this is my fair conclusion: It runs smooth and has a fairly large start-up resolution. I uninstalled it quick.
    The Vorpx version will remain my PERMANENT cyberpunk 2077 vr mod. After using the gesture controllers and the tweaking options you get with the mod, the xbox controller method is too restricting (to me). I tried it out to see what the fanfare was about. Don’t get me wrong, he did a good & commendable job. It just sacrifices a certain ‘fluidity’ if you know what I mean.
    I ALWAYS inform people of Ralf’s version and they come out shocked mostly because there’s NO publicity for this groundbreaking achievement.
    Is the Vorpx version perfect? No it’s not but it’s the closest we get to a full blown VR experience of Night city and all it contains. The mod is so cool that I LITERALLY have my arm ache because I physically have to wield my Katana :) and it’s FREE!!!
    Kinda hurts that the VR sector would be this biased.
    Kudos again to you guys at Vorpx and trust that your efforts will be PROPERLY acknowledged once it’s time.
    PS. I’m not just some drooling fanboy, I’m currently building my own Open-World VR experience, so I kinda have an idea of how to appreciate a good VR mod.

    #210136
    Maichevsky
    Participant

    Sure, at 180fps the issues become less obvious. But that’s purely theoretical for newer, more demanding games. Most people without super highend GPUs are lucky if they can run demanding games at 60 (i.e. 30 per eye with alternate frame 3d). At such a framerate there are a lot of highly uncomfortable situations.

    There’s a reason why no aftermarket 3D injector (let alone any native 3d game) over the course of 25 years ever worked that way. The very first private vorpX builds 10 years ago, when the whole VR gaming community was maybe a few hundred enthusiasts large, used alternate frame rendering because it is so much easier to implement. Didn’t even make it into the first public release… Just mentioning that I plan to do that caused a backlash big enough to send me back to the drawing board.

    Besides: the starting point for vorpX back in the day was my wish to play Descent in VR, an ages old, fast paced shooter. In a game like that with constant fast motion alternate frame 3d is fairly sickening even at twice the display refresh rate. I have that on good authority. ;)

    I am here (in VR) since the kickstarter off DK1, man was I happy VorpX existed in those first years :) I had no idea there was a VR community before that, I would have joined sooner!

    #210135
    drowhunter
    Participant

    Ok, this is a crazy feature request, but if you add it I might be valuable as a feature you can brag about.

    So right now in the game you can’t really turn around, because the mod would need to constantly recenter you.

    Would you be able to add DecaMove support? (Links to sdk and app below)

    Even if you dont have an actual DecaMove device, you can use their free android app which works exactly the same. You would then be able to read the users “actual” facing position and map it to the mod. This would allow us to physically turn around without having to recenter. This would be totally amazing and should be quite trivial for you to do.

    If the answer is no, is it possible that I could do this in my own cyberpunk mod via CET lua script? I imagine since CP2077 has no actually concept of character center it might not work. But I would just need a way to control the character facing position to the decamoves rotation .

    https://github.com/MegadodoGames/DecaMoveSDK/

    https://www.deca.net/support/decahub/android/

    #210098
    dellrifter22
    Participant

    I would call dx12 functionality very limited right now. We only have a handful of official dx12 profiles to try from, which makes it risky to pick up any new games at full price.

    I for example wanted to play AC Valhalla and Far Cry 6, but no existing dx12 profile provided working Z3D, only flat. I have stopped buying new because of this.

    G3D (true 3D) is not even coded for dx12 yet. Only about 3 specific dx12 games have specialized mods for alternate eye rendering to imitate G3D visuals.

    So if you’re lucky, Metro Enhanced with ray tracing and Z3D is possible yes (3D enough to convince your brain that the general scene has depth and space), but if not lucky, you’ll see only a flat image.

    One more thing to note is that you will need to push high resolutions to gain a satisfactory image in a vr headset, so make sure your pc can run the game at least 50+fps @ 4k+ with ray tracing on.

    Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic. You might have luck with some games, and you might not with others.

    #210097
    Ralf
    Keymaster

    Sure, at 180fps the issues become less obvious. But that’s purely theoretical for newer, more demanding games. Most people without super highend GPUs are lucky if they can run demanding games at 60 (i.e. 30 per eye with alternate frame 3d). At such a framerate there are a lot of highly uncomfortable situations.

    There’s a reason why no aftermarket 3D injector (let alone any native 3d game) over the course of 25 years ever worked that way. The very first private vorpX builds 10 years ago, when the whole VR gaming community was maybe a few hundred enthusiasts large, used alternate frame rendering because it is so much easier to implement. Didn’t even make it into the first public release… Just mentioning that I plan to do that caused a backlash big enough to send me back to the drawing board.

    Besides: the starting point for vorpX back in the day was my wish to play Descent in VR, an ages old, fast paced shooter. In a game like that with constant fast motion alternate frame 3d is fairly sickening even at twice the display refresh rate. I have that on good authority. ;)

    #210035
    Burglecutt
    Participant

    Hello, first wanted to say thank you Ralf for creating such an incredible mod! Cyberpunk in VR is a dream come true and easily one of the most amazing gaming experiences of my life.

    Unfortunately a couple days ago vorpx and Cyberpunk starting acting up and after several hours of trouble shooting I’m still at a loss. The main problems are Cyberpunk crashes very frequently now on startup (hit play, nothing happens, or game crashes). After restarts and many attempts, if I am able to launch the game then it always starts in 1024×768 resolution, and the HUD has moved far into the corners and can’t be seen anymore. Before this HUD problem I could see the map in the top right corner, now it is barely visible and can only be seen seen in edge peak mode.

    In addition, I also noticed other new problems such as chat options in conversations showing up as blank (you can only read the options if you select over them).

    I have tried uninstalling vorpx, reinstalling, verifying game files for Cyberpunk, etc. Also checked drivers, tried deleting the game cache files. It’s all quite frustrating because two days ago the game was running just wonderfully and as far as I know I haven’t changed anything on my system. My computer is running Core i7 10700KF, RTX 3080, 32gb ram, with valve index.

    Has anyone else run into these problems out of nowhere and been able to fix them? Any help is greatly appreciated as I was just getting back into this game. Thank you for your time.

    #210001
    mr_spongeworthy
    Participant

    I don’t usually like, but that aesthetic in that is just fantastic! I’ve added it to my wishlist and will buy it if it ever goes on sale ($19.95 seems a tad high for what is, apparently, a 2-hour game).

    Is the G3D absolutely correct, or are there issues? 100% correct G3D is currently a big selling point for me. I recently got ELEX because it had a G3D profile, only to discover that it has rendering issues and I’ll have to play the game in Z3D (if I bother).

    #209983
    mr_spongeworthy
    Participant

    It disables the forced TAA in the game. Download and install the ini file version (the second link in the files section) this will also cause DLSS not to work, but the trade off may be worth it.

    It’s a major bummer than DLSS is (I think) *always* tied the use of TAA. Hopefully this will someday change. Unfortunately TAA must be super-easy to implement or something, because soooooo many current games offer only TAA; and it’s *ghastly horrible!*

    With Cyberpunk disabling TAA causes other issues at well; weird lighting glitches etc. I’ve tried it OFF, and have so-far found so many other problems that I’ve just left it on.

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